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the case is closed. is it? >> it is not. and i think mr. cumming would be the first to tell you he spoke unartfully. can't tell you what he meant. what he said in subsequent interviews he has backed off a bit. >> nothing to tone down the rhetoric. a volley of letters between congressman cummings and chairman issa. topic is somewhat different. congressman issa wants all the transcripts from the people who work in ohio released? >> your honor the rule of completeness, he would be right. you were the rule of completion. but we're not in court. police can legally used art i physician and deception. not suggesting anyone would do that. a big difference between vest fwags and court proceeding. mr. cumming is speaking in terms of transparency, openness, and adjudicatory process. and mr. cumming thinks we won't subject people to humiliation and resolution. police may released a profile or may not. refer in defense of what congressman cummings saying, he also added he would be willing to redact or take ta out or eliminate information that might be harmful or humiliate someone. and congressman isi
and private debate. we have sought counsel. i've chosen to use a resolution, mr. cummings, even though i had the right to rule. and had i been comfortable ruling without seeking additional advice from parliamentarian and also the house counsel, i would have. but this resolution is effectively a ruling of the chair that ms. lois lerner waived -- >> very well. >> -- in her activity, and we're really voting on a ruling of the chair. but it's in the form of a resolution so that it's available for amendment. and i would caution members they're free to use their five minutes and so on. i'm not going to limit debate. but this is a markup. it is like any other markup, and i've chosen to do that so that my ruling would be published and open to a vote rather than simply the procedural tabling of the chair that otherwise would happen. >> mr. chairman, i'm almost finished now. thank you very much. in my letter to the chairman on wednesday, i asked that every member be given the opportunity to hear directly from house counsel and pose any questions they have about the legal standards and historical prece
employees, dan. this is mr. cummings trying to rebut that. we have conducted other interviews including this one which is a guy he described as republican. this is how the q and a went according to mr. cummings. question do you have reason to believe anyone in the white house was involved in the decision to screen tea party caves? answer, i have no reason to believe that question did you decide to elevate the case to your direct supervisor because you disagreed with the political views of the tea party organization identified in this one particular application? answer, no. question, did you ever have concerns, is there anything inappropriate in your view about sending up to your supervisor, high profile cases? answer, not that i would be aware of. so, cummings is now saying that's why case closed. he said it started with a tea party case. this started with this guy. it started with a screener in his unit. he was a conservative republican. your thoughts? >> well, to me this is what is wrong with washington and the fike crow come. one hand trying to exploit it and fabricate when there is
and perhaps it is time to move on. mueller was ask the beside that. >> is mr. cummings accurate in his assessment? >> could you repeat that. >> based on everything i've seen, quoting mr. cummings, the case is solved. >> which case? >> the irs scandal. >> the irs case? >> yes. >> the irs case is currently under investigation and basically just started. >> now, to be fair, eye lie gentleman culpings backtracked said he didn't mean the investigation should be over. that he just believes what he perceived as targeting of -- or a witchhunt by republicans, he thinks that should be over but the work on the irs should continue. >> shepard: thank you, sir. most more thans continue to say that the congress should continue to investigate.%Ñnmmó]s surround thing white house, 78% of americans surveyed by the fox news poll say congress should keep looking into the irs. 76 agreed, 73% say congress should continue to investigate the deadly attack in benghazi. big numbers. the government surveillance controversy could mean big business. app developers are now putting out smartphone software where the
. in order to protect our national security. >> this past sunday, mr. cummings, cranking member on the oversight committee, based on everything he has seen, the case is solved. is mr. cummings accurate in his assessment? >> it's currently under investigation. >> you started a month ago. what can you tell us about this. you found the two rogue agents, discovered who those people are? >> needless to say, because it's under wasinvestigation i can't >> you can tell me some basics? how many agents assigned to the case? >> i would have to get back to you. >> the lead investigator? >> off the top of my head, no. >> the most important issue in the country and you don't know who the lead investigator is? >> at this juncture, no. >> we'd like to know how many people you have assigned to look into this situation. >> you have questions, but the obama administration does not have answers. and nice to see you, mr. speaker, newt gingrich. >> good to be with you. >> you stop with what many in the town are called a scandal or a series of scandals. >> what you are seeing begin to build, i don't t
's not. i think mr. cummings would be the first to tell you that he probably spoke in artfully. i can't tell you what he meant. what he said i think in subsequent interviews he has backed off a little bit. >> it doesn't tone down the rhetoric. it is back and forth between congressman cummings and chairman ice saw. i guess it is some what different congressman cummings wants all of the transcripts from the witnesses for the people who worked in ohio released. >> if we were in court he would probably be right under the rule of cleatneompleteness. we are not in court. this is an investigation. police routinely do not release the information. police can legally use deception during an investigation. i am not suggesting any one would do that. but there's a big difference between an investigation and a court proceeding. i think mr. cummings is thinking in terms of transparency, openness and ajude kau tory process where ice saw is thinking we are in the middle of an investigation we want people to come forward. we are not going to subject people to humiliation. police may release a profile o
in that category. we have not had ample time that an exposition of facts. how is mr. cummings likely to determine -- >> would the gentleman yield? >> in a second. the ramifications are bad for the house. i would ask that you not distribute it widely like to all of your members. i would yield only of the gentleman wants tell us which one of all these members in the majority would not want to see the report? >> the chairman yields? >> for that purpose. >> the gentleman should not have to answer that question. >> i am sorry that you are offended -- >> if you are not going to answer, i claim my time-- >> this was an opinion given to the majority on my request. this was the chairman's request. >> it was an opinion to the members of the house -- >> no, that was not correct. >> who did you not want to see that report? >> the gentleman's time is expired. >> legitimate excuses -- the gentleman's excuses have waned, too. >> losing the focus of our purpose. i have great regard for the gentlelady from washington who has looked from the perspective of both sides of the equation. we are doing a great deal of t
. cummings has just released an entire transcript about an hour ago. much to the annoysence of mr. issa. it isn't just the issue of transparency that is troubling mr. cummings. he's also concerned about mr. issa's crumbling credibility. by leaking transcript portions that omit key details from the accounts witnesses provided to the committee, chairman issa has now drawn condemnation even from house republicans. said the ranking democrat. sadly, mr. issa has chosen not to do the honorable thing. but this is no surprise. because he chose to do exactly the same thing when it came to the hearings on benghazi. you'll remember that the co-chairs of the independent review of september's deadly attack wrote to the mr. issa volunteering to give open testimony. the public deserves to hear your answers and our questions, wrote the ambassador thomas pickering and mike mullen. unfortunately, darrell issa declined preferring to hold secret meetings that he can leak at his own convenience. mr. issa himself must know the dangers of selective information. after all, he was connected to two allegations o
and protecting american lives, that's our number-one mission. >> let me get to mr. cummings. what's your take on this congressman? >> i tell you, i voted against patriot act and one of the reasons why i voted against it is because i was afraid of unintended consequences. here we have a situation where we clearly -- since 9/11 clearly we have to be very very cognizant of a threat to our people and coming from afar or within our borders. but at the same time we have to make sure that we guard our bill of rights and guard constitution. that right to privacy is extremely important to americans. so a lot of this information, of course, is classified. we're going to have being a briefing in congress come tuesday where we'll get even more information but i've got to tell you, i understand the balance has to be struck, i looked at president president's presentation in defending this but i think we have gone too far and i think, again, we're now open from debate. we want to have that debate and hopefully we'll strike the appropriate balance. the question then becomes, bob, how far does it go? if this
'm in the course of conducting this, we did not conduct previous conferences to this one. >> mr. cummings talked about efforts to rein in gsa. gsaad conducted reviews of operations and found that they spent, not even a million dollars on a conference. outrageous spending was the determine. get negative outrageous spending was determined. we could not get much attention on that. -- outrageous spending was determined. we could not get much attention on that. >> are you familiar with this guy? this is the gsa official in the hot tub. have you ever seen that picture? >> i have seen a picture. >> i wondered if that was any motivation for the dramatic change in your spending. spent $37 million in that year. congress held these hearings come a which we participated in. but they -- the famous guy and the hot tub gave more egregious spending under control. this effect to it all? >> the new guidelines that were put into place, the new restrictions on travel, and on spending for training and things of that nature, that was handled primarily by the operations support side. lex did you approve expenditures o
department investigation is going. >> based on everything i've seen, quoting mr. cummings, the case is solved. >> which case? >> the irs scandal. >> the irs case? >> the irs case is currently under investigation and basically has just started. >> what can you tell us -- you started a month ago. what can you tell us about this? have you found any -- found the two rogue agents, have you discovered who those people are? >> needless to say, because it's under investigation, i can't give out any details. >> can you tell me how many agents, investigators you've assigned to the case? >> may be able to do that, but would have to get back to you. >> can you tell me who the lead investigator is? >> off the top of my head, no. >> the most important issue in the country in the last six weeks, you don't know who is heading up the case? >> at this juncture, no. >> we'd like to know how many people you've assigned to look into this? >> i haven't had a recent briefing. i haven't had a recent briefing. >> you don't know who is leading the case? >> i do not know the lead agent. >> do you know if you've talked
and i want to thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you mr. cummings. in closing of ten a hearing is about a specific action. it appears as though a great deal will come as a result of the preparation for the hearing into the report we put velte pittard i'm going to work with the ranking member to turn it into a report. it's essentially a staff draft at this point and we will follow-up with some that we learned here today but i'm doing to include in that report or an additional series of letters a number of things that i could not help but recognize today. i think to say that the irs is an organization currently in crisis is a given. i have confidence and a lot of hope that the new acting commissioner will in fact be able to bring that about and for the 100,000 or so career professionals that work at the irs i wish you well. it's important to the american people. this is not about you but in fact this hearing was illustrative of some problems of our government has. i believe the kennedys went be sending in number of things and we will be undoubtably working. but anytime that limited resour
in public. for mr. cummings and myself from need to know know that the work is going the right way. that a culture that is gone wrong has been changed. in the culture that would see organizations accused for years without a whistleblower afford or that would see some of these and not be as outraged as we were is a culture that needs to change. for those who were outraged and those who are outraged today, i for everyone to understand the vast majority of federal workers, this is not the norm. and for the rest of the federal workforce if it's a norm, it's time to blow the whistle and get it changed. i recognize the wrecking member for his opening statement. click thank you very much. i'm glad we are holding this hearing this morning. it is a very important hearing. and givee must pause credit where credit is due. you, mr. chairman, and this entire committee, to mr. mica. i also serve on the test patient committee and he is chairman of that committee. and we allarings work together because back when , wegsa kindle came up worked in a bipartisan manner -- up, we workedme in a bipartisa
's going to put out little pieces of this along the way. he has to prepare mr. cummings to put out the full transcript. >> we're being played by congressman issa, now we're being played by congressman cummings, he releases one transcript, not all of them. >> now you have the chairman accusing him of trying to sink the whole situation. you have on this -- this is the oversite committee, the primary investigative committee in congress, they're looking at this very hot button issue that has bipartisan outrage. you hope the two men could at least get along. they sit up there next to each other, they seem to like each other. these letters are really something. >> it is amazing, though, season the it? >> they are so nice to each other at these hearings, so polite, and then they fire off these horrible letters, and we have this sub drama where the media's being played with these bits and pieces. i must admit, i'm grateful to have the bits and pieces. >> they serve a purpose. >> their purpose? >> certainly, i think an investigative purpose as well. it keeps us in the news, keeps the headlines out t
investigate i.r.s. misconduct should be outraged at mr. cummings' efforts to obstruct needed oversight by releasing more information. >> well, i can't explain, but i think we've entered the sort of hair splitting gamesmanship sort of part of the phase and i think from there, you know, basically everyone outside the belt way loses interest and forgets even what the scandal was about. i think we're moving steadily towards that and darryl issa is playing his part. >> he hasn't learned anything. this is what he said last night. he actually said this. i'm deeply disappointed that ranking member cummings has decided to broadly disseminate and post online a 205 page transcript that will serve as a roadmap for i.r.s. officials to navigate investigative interviews with congress. is he saying he released mets thods. isn't the way to testify before congress is to answer the questions? >> this is such a complicated issue that unloads and i'll say i think issa is wrong and cummings is wrong. >> isn't it fwak actually wrong? he knew it and needed the facts and then the actual transcript from the guy
'm just saying, i wouldn't be appearing tomorrow. >> and greta. both mr. cummings and myself are on the right side of this together. in that these set aside, if you believe in them, should go to small and disadvantaged companies in real impacted zones, so at a minimum, they put half a billion dollars in the hands of somebody who is already wealthy, rather than where it was intended to go. >> they may be 100% innocent of any wrongdoing, there may be no criminal wrongdoing, i looked at the report, and i think the department of justice should take a look at it as well. we'll see whether he shows up tomorrow. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >>> to tonight's hot button issue on gretawire.com. have you heard enough from the irs? is it time for the irs to be abolished and start over? yes or no. >>> and now to benghazi, the house oversight committee issuing subpoenas to four state department officials. why does the panel find it necessary to compel the officials to testify? congressman jason chaffetz joins us. >> i'm glad to come on your show and say we issued subpoenas. u
of the mr. cummings and baltimore, those people did not get an opportunity to bid on that lucrative contract. but beating a dead horse, i think we are passionate about fixing that particular contracts. want to thank you for raising that issue. you are absolutely right. whatever the law is with regard to hub zones, i want to make sure they have been properly addressed. people should play by the rules. the rules have been set up in a certain way. if people are not going by the rules, i have a problem with that. i would appreciate your response. i know you have to look into it. >> i absolutely will. >> this is a discovery point. -- i do not want to be unfair to anyone. this committee would like to dispense with all of our discovery on the broader case as soon as possible. i know you would like to have as much of that behind us. in order to do so, we have a specific request, which is documents have been requested by and even if they were not requested by the ways and means committee, we would a essentially, sending unredacted all information requested by this committee to the ways and means comm
. for mr. cummings and myself from need to know know that the work is going the right way. that a culture that is gone wrong has been changed. in the culture that would see organizations accused for years without a whistleblower afford or that would see some of these conferences and not be as outraged as we were is a culture that needs to change. for those who were outraged and those who are outraged today, i want everyone to understand for the vast majority of federal workers, this is not the norm. and for the rest of the federal workforce if it's a norm, it's time to blow the whistle and get it changed. i recognize the wrecking member for his opening statement. click thank you very much. i'm glad we are holding this hearing this morning. it is a very important hearing. i think we must pause and give credit where credit is due. to you, mr. chairman, and this entire committee, to mr. mica. i also serve on the test patient committee and he is chairman of that committee. he calls hearings and we all work together because back when the gsa kindle came up, we worked in a bipartisan manner --
. lucas: i yield to mr. cummings for one minute. the chair: the gentleman from maryland is recognized for one minute. mr. cummings: i rise in opposition of the royce-engel amendment. this has used u.s. taxpayer funding for those that need food around the world as well as the united states merchant marine. this amendment would would gut the program by allowing 45% of s funding to send cash payments. as the reap of the subcommittee on the coast guard i can assure you this would be devastating to the u.s. merchant maroon and the domestic sea lift capacity that move 90% of the cargo supporting our military in iraq and afghanistan. let me paint a picture. in 2012, just over 9,000 ships visited u.s. ports. only approximately 100 of those vessels sailed under united states flag. i emphasize these 100 vessels include vessels that use food aid. it would drive more vessels from the u.s. flag fleet which exceeded 850 ships as recently as 1975. i urge a no vote. the chair: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. engel: thank you. i now -- the chair: the ge
wait. >> mr. issa, mr. cummings said we should run it like a courtroom. i agree with him. she just received. she waived her fifth amendment right to privilege. you don't goat tell your side of the story and not be subjected to cross-examine. that's not the way it works. she waived her right by issuing an opening statement. she ought to stand here and answer our questions. [applause] .. >> mr. chairman. >> mr. cummings. >> first of all, with all respect for my good friend, i would like to see it run like a federal court, unfortunately this is not a federal court and she does have a right and i think and we have to adhere to that. >> thank you. >> we'll pause for a moment. >> ms. sobel and i will ask you a couple of additional questions. is it possible that we could narrow the scope of questions and there are some areas that you would be able to answer any questions on your today? >> i will not answer any questions or testify today. ms. lerner would you be willing to answer questions specifically related to the earlier statements made under oath before this committee? >> i decline to
, mr. cummings just said we should run this like a courtroom and i agree with him. she just testified or waived her fifth amendment right to privilege. you don't get to tell your side of the story and not be subjected to cross-examination. that's not the way it works. she waived her right by issuing an opening state and ought to stand here and answer our questions. [ applause ] . >> mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman? >>fi mr. cummings. >> first of all, i said i'd likt to see it run like a federal court. unfortunately, this is not a federal court, and she does have a right, and i think -- and we have to adhere to that. adhere that. >> thank you. >> we'll pause for a moment. i'll ask you additional questions, is it possible we could narrow the scope of questions and there are some areas that you would be able to answer any questions here today. >> i will not answer any questions or testify today. >> miss lerner, would you be willing to answer questions specifically related to the earlier statements made under oath before this committee? >> i decline to answer that question for the reasons i
sunday mr. cummings the ranking member said based on everything he seemed in the irs case the case is solved. is mr. cummings accurate? based on everything i've seen in quoting mr. cummings the case is solved. >> it's currently under investigation. >> what can you tell us about this? have you found the infamous agents to be discovered in who those people are? >> can you tell me some basics, how many investigators you have assigned to the case? >> i may be able to do that but i have to get back to you. >> can you tell me who the lead investigator is? >> at this juncture no pity the >> we would like to know how many people you have assigned to look into the situation. >> i haven't had a recent briefing on it when we first initiated it i haven't had a briefing as to where we are. >> you don't know who is leading the case? if you talk to any of the victim's come have you met with any of the tea party folks since 2013? >> i don't know the status of the interviews are. >> would you expect that that has been done? >> at some point in time generally the investigation you get the document s
? >> mr. cummings would like to have this over, but our job is not point fingers, but get the facts. we heard from the outgoing irs commissioner and others at that level, they have pointed down. now last week we interviewed some of the cincinnati irs folks. they all pointed up. this week we are deposing people who they pointed to in washington who were concocting and targeting. stuart: there is a lot of frustration here. a month now we have had people say i don't know, can't answer that question, we don't know. nobody is getting to the truth. give me a time frame. can you tell me where we will get the full story as it is out there? >> this scandal is only about a month old, but it takes time to depose witnesses, get the accurate information. the worst thing we want to do is majority leading the investigation is to misstep, not get the facts right. we are quadruple checking the transcripts, the testimonies, leading you to other people. now we are back at the washington level. we heard figures pointed to cincinnati and how they sat around the water cooler and concocted stuff. now they are
. i look forward to your questions. >> mr. fink? >> chairman issa, ranking member cummings, members of the committee, my name is faris fink. i am the commissioner with the small business self-employed division of internal revenue service. i appreciate the opportunity to appear here today. i have worked for the internal revenue service for 32 years, starting as a grade 7 revenue officer in ohio. i became the commissioner of the small business self-employed operating division in may of 2011. i am proud to be an irs employee and serve alongside thousands of dedicated public servants who administer our tax laws. my division has 24,000 employees and it accounts for majority of the $50 billion that the irs collects in enforcement revenue each year. the meeting we held in 2010 was to train 2600 managers from 350 offices across the country. we needed to insure that they had the tools to lead their employees and adapt to major changes that were occurring. at the time of this meeting, almost 30% of our managers were new or had only been managers within a two-year period. another focus of the
maryland seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman . recognized for one minute mr. cummings: thank you, mr. speaker. it is with great sadness that i stand here today to talk about one of the most effective safeguards to americans' fundamental right to vote. the court's decision ignores the current reality that voter suppression is alive and well in the united states. we saw indisputable evidence of its presence just last year. we saw attempts to implement discriminatory and unnecessary voter i.d. laws. we saw attempts to shorten early vote periods that have had a significant impact on minority voters. the ball is now in congress' court. the senate judiciary committee is already taking action to restore essential protections for minority voters. and i call on speaker bainer to exercise true leadership in the house -- boehner to exercise true leadership in the house. ladies and gentlemen, this is our watch and we must guard our rights for ourselves and for generations yet unborn. we must act swiftly and decisively in a bipartisan manner as we did in 2006, to create a new formu
by the gentleman from maryland, mr. cummings, known previously as h.r. 1842, the military family home protection act. as a member of the veterans affairs committee and the ranking member of the economic opportunities subcommittee, taking care of our service members and their families is one of my top priorities. this legislation does just that. it takes care of our heroes. by staying foreclosures when service members are receiving hostile fire or when they are medically discharged, by doubling the civil penalties for mortgage-related violations and by prohibiting banks from discriminating against service members, veterans or surviving spouses, the military family home protection act no long air louis our heroes and their -- no longer allows our heroes or their families to be taken advantage of. since the economic down turn, more than 700 service members have been wrongfully foreclosured on and more than -- foreclosed on and many have been subjected by illegal practices. the men and women who fight bravely for our nation deserve better. we owe it to them -- 15 seconds? the chair: the gentleman is
, mr. cummings based on everything seen in the case, it's solved. is he accurate in the assessment. >> repeat that. >> based on what i saw, the case is solved regarding the irs scandal. >> which scandal? >> the irs case. >> the irs case? >> yeah. >> it's just started. >> what can you tell us? you started a month ago, what can you tell us about this? have you found any -- have you found the incidents, discovered who the people are? >> needless to say because it it's under investigation, i can't say -- >> can you tell me how many investigators are assigned to the case? >> may be able to do that, but i have to get back to you. >> can you tell me who the lead investigator is? >> not off the top of the head, no. >> it's the most important case, and you don't know who it is? >> i do not. >> get that information to us. we want to know how many people you assigned into look into the information. >> i had a briefing on it when we initiated, but i have not had a recent breeching where we are. >> you don't know who is leading the case? >> i do not. >> do you know if you talked to any of the v
've seen, quoting mr. cummings, the case is resolved, regarding the irs scandal. >> which case? >> the irs scandal. >> the irs case? >> yes. >> the irs case is currently under investigation and basically it just started. >> what can you tell us? you started a month ago. what can you tell us about this? have you found any -- have you found the now infamous two rogue agents? have you discovered who those people are? >> needless to say because it's under investigation i can't give out -- >> can you tell me basics? can you tell me how many agents and investigators you assigned to the case? >> may be able to. have to get back to you. >> can you tell me who the lead investigator is? >> not that i know. >> this is most important case in the country and can you get that information? we'd like to know who you assigned to knit. >> i have not had a recent briefing on it. i had a recent briefing when we initiated it and haven't had a recent brief writing we are. >> you don't know who is leading the case? >> i do not -- >> have you talked to any of the victims? any of the groups targeted by the governm
. cummings votes no. clayaloney votes no mr. votes no. mr. lynch votes no. mr. gruber about snow. mr. connolly votes no. -- votes no. >> pardon me voting no to the attack -- the tactics of today. >> ms. duckworth votes no. votes no. mr. welsh votes no. mr. host bird votes no. --horse for votes no. >> how was mr. mchenry recorded? >> as voting aye. >> is there anyone else who seeks recognition to vote? >> your recorded as voting aye. -- you are recorded as voting aye. >> the clerk will report. ayes, 17 nos. >> the resolution is agreed to. the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth ,mendment privileges on may 22 2013, is approved, and we stands adjourned. >> tonight at 6:30 p.m. eastern time, we follow the road to the he will be speaking .t a web -- fund-raising dinner and then we will have former jeb bush giving a talk. roberts will give us his life on the high court. there really talking about the court's 2012 term which wrapped up this last week, and the cases to look forward to in the fall. that starts at 9:00 a.m. eastern on saturday. >> the 73rd and other regiments were
staff has done. mr. president cummings to table the amendment. >> the senate immigration bill cannot keep white house briefing. jay carney was ousted by u.s. policy options regarding the syrian civil war in the national security agency data collection programs. this is about 50 minutes. [laughter] >> i actually have to -- i have a family wedding and i have get back to boston. i was going to fly, but i fear that may not happen. so i booked a train. as a former employee of the vice president, i'm a big fan. [inaudible] >> now you don't, but i had a special affection for it. so thank you all for being here this afternoon and let me just say a couple things before we start. first of all for the reason aforementioned, 1105. secondly, today the president and vice president will be within the numbers they seem to have elementary school. we commend the famous courage and perseverance are continuing commonsense legislation to reduce gun violence and we want them to know as we approach the six month anniversary we will never forget and will continue to fight alongside. second announcement. thi
not had ample time that an exposition of facts. we have been deprived. how is mr. cummings likely to determine -- >> would the gentleman yield? >> in a second. i want to make this point as clearly as i can. i am reading. the ramifications are bad for the house. i would ask that you not distribute it widely like to all of your members. i would yield only of the gentleman wants tell us which one of all these members in the majority would not want to see the report? >> the chairman yields? >> for that purpose. >> the gentleman should not have to answer that question. >> i am sorry that you are offended -- sharing of an opinion. >> if you are not going to answer, i claim my time-- >> this was an opinion given to the majority on my request. this was the chairman's request. >> it was an opinion to the members of the house -- >> no, that was not correct. >> who did you not want to see that report? >> the gentleman's time is expired. >> legitimate excuses -- the gentleman's excuses have waned, too. quickly now go to the gentleman from pennsylvania. >> losing the focus of our purpose. i ha
's in public administration from american international college, graduating summa cum laude. mr. chris crane serves as the president of the national immigration and customs enforcement council when the team, american federation of government employees. he has worked as an immigration enforcement agent for the u.s. immigration and customs enforcement at the u.s. department of homeland security since 2003 prior to his service at i.c.e. chris served 11 years in the united states marine corps. he's testified before this committee before. thank you for returning again. share if sam page is an elected official in rockingham county north carolina. sheriff page serves as -- i'm sorry. i think i'm stealing the thunder of the jam line from north carolina. mr. coble who asked and i agreed and i forgot to recognize him for the purpose of acknowledging mr. page. >> mr. chairman, you may steal my thunder any time you like. [laughter] before i introduce share of page my friend from california referred earlier -- north carolina -- i think that is a litigation that hasn't been resolved at this point. the sha
information absolving the white house and absolving mr. carney, the white house press secretary. the evidence that was released by congressman cummings yesterday clearly showed that this was a republican career staffer who had initiated this campaign, that the only activity that was really going on in washington was a technical staff who was reviewing it to ensure consistency, that the senior people inside the irs had on two occasions told the cincinnati office to knock it off. this isn't the first time that issa has done these. he made these wild-eyed accusations in the case of fast and furious. he made these incredible and irresponsible accusations in the case of benghazi when it turned out that the fbi and cia were the ones that didn't want to identify the terror suspects in that case. >> are you saying that darrell issa is a liar? >> i am saying that he had information that will absolved the white house when in fact he was saying the exact opposite on television that the white house was responsible for this when he knew that that was false. so i would say, yes, that's lying >> yes, indeed
, and you were playing the part of mr. spock? >> well, i mean, you saw the ranking member, congressman cummings of maryland, who is a great, loyal democrat struggling to try to find a way to defend that video and those expenditures, and he couldn't, and he just admitted there's nothing i can do to say there's any redeeming qualities. i actually have kids, they have a free app on their i touches called video star, and you can make a lot better videos for free than you do spending the kind of money that the irs employees did to put on costumes and make goofs of themselves. but that aside, it's a serious question of a squandering of taxpayer dollars alongside this very serious targeting of these groups and a real -- evidence now from this new interviews with these two cincinnati employees that there was real pressure to find and come up with certain cases to scrutinize and hold up for delay and etc. so it's really a combination of both one is silly, one is quite staggering, but added up together it's a growing scandal, and it's getting closer up the chain to headquarters in washington no
, elijah cummings as the ranking member has had to put forward this particular interview because mr. issa was, as you pointed out, cherry picking only the interviews that would support his particular position. and thirdly, we're going to keep darrell issa honest in this process. that is why there is a republican and democratic staff. they're supposed to work together. this should be a bipartisan effort. we want to make sure that no one is targeted by the irs for reasons unrelated to what we should be focused on. now, if we want to be really clear about this, the fact that an organization is not exclusively engaged in a social welfare activity is something that we still have to get focused on, because that was the law. and then the irs came up with regulations that then changed it primarily. and that is why this whole issue is as complex as it is. >> i agree with that. you know, joy, one of the things that we should not tolerate as americans is any group, right wing, left wing, it doesn't matter, being targeted and harassed based on their politics. but we also shouldn't tolerate people mis
, guilty till proven innocent. e elijah cummings and dana milbank. congressman, in all the times you've sat next to mr. issa at hearings, have you ever gotten the impression he thinks there was political hanky panky here? from the white house? >> yeah, i honestly don't know what he thinks. i mean, quite often he makes a lot of statements and then, and these statements make headlines and then there's a search for the facts and in many instances, the facts are never found. and so i don't know what he thinks but i can tell you one thing that the interviews that have been conducted and the chairman knows this have shown no political involvement in this episode. no white house involvement whatsoever. and we know that it started in the cincinnati office. and it was started by a self-proclaimed republican, a conservative republican. and i think the thing that bothers me most, chris, is when these types of allegations are made and you have exculpatory evidence that shows clearly that it's not accurate, you ought to say something because we are in search of the truth. >> yeah. >> so that we can do r
that successfully, but the problem is he's actually proved nothing. in fact, his ranking democrat elijah cummings of maryland just released the transcripts from the irs, quote, scandal. and it kind of proved that what mr. issa has been saying all along wasn't true. i don't know where he's going with this. if i were in his shoes, i would shut up and try to legitimate something opposed to having hearings. >> what's so interesting to me is that the republicans almost seem oblivious to the credibility problems they had under president bush. i mean, we just saw former vice president cheney addressing these issues just this weekend. listen to this. >> i don't pay a lot of attention, frankly to what barack obama says. i find a lot of it in other areas like irs and benghazi not credibility. in terms of the credibility, i don't think he has credibility. the problem is the guy has failed to be forthright and honest and credible on things like benghazi and the irs. so he's got no credibility. >> so he's this weekend saying president obama has no credibility. here's the administration that brings up weapon o
side and refuse to answer questions. >> mr. chairman, i have identified nine separate specific assertions made by lois lerner on may the 22nd, and that was after she asserted her right against privilege. >> reporter: the top democratic, elijah cummings tried to argue against the resolution with a different interpretation of the law. >> not trying to make this more difficult than it should be, it's just that i think that when we are dealing with -- i am very sensitive to this, this constitution, because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. >> reporter: learner remains under subpoena, can be recalled to testify, but some republicans appeared irritated she remains on federal payroll while on administrative leave and is uncooperative. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing her nose, a federal bureaucrat, thumbing her nose at congress. >> reporter: a massachusetts democrat defended that behavior. >> i think that is a constitutional right to thumb your nose at the government, and i think considering the fact that congress' favorability rating is about 6%, a lot of
on capitol hill about lavish spending. they played the infamous star trek training video. that is mr. spock, who played spock, testifying as of right now. his name is ferris think. he was in the video and is testifying right now. congressman elijah cummings is on this panel, bringing these numbers, he says between 2007-2008 at the financial crisis was unfolding irs spending on conferences more than doubled to $29 million for 2008. the wall street journal is reporting an irs lawyer in d.c. named carter hall instructed employees in cincinnati on the questions they should ask to conservative groups. i want to bring in matt welch, reason.com. he is the rubber terry and. what is your take on this ira scandal? >> the thing i'm most concerned about is the most innocent explanation. what if there was no political motivated instructions to these people? what if no one was talking about elections? what if all the ira's people sincerely thought they would doing their job? that is why we got what we have gotten. stuart: when your enemies have infiltrated government at the grassroots level and put their
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